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Homerovah the Almighty
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Cremation, Yes or No?
by Outaservice inyour opinion please.
a recent awake article seems to okay cremation and i thought at one time the watchtower was against it.. do you have any thoughts one way or the other on the subject?.
outaservice.
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Should Pot Be Legalized?
by minimus ini don't smoke anything but i know many that do--- some frequently, most infrequently.. personally, i don't see much difference between drinking alcohol and pot use.. should pot be legalized?.
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Homerovah the Almighty
Strong and substantial theories in support of legalization Spook, but the problem merely lies in the fact that the majority of the
population is against the legalization of marijuana and it would have to be fore-fronted by are political leaders.
Trying to convince the general public that this is a better way to address this issue is probably the hardest task.
Thing is too marijuana attracts attention to itself in a big way by nature of its very strong odor, something that alcohol
doesn't do. Think about weddings, parties of different varieties, will bars want to get the OK to be a pot smoking free establishments.
The list of incidental occurrences of its acceptable uses has to be all considered.
And another thing how will the growers farm and cultivate the product in a now legal environment.
There is indeed a lot to be considered when everything gets throw on the table and say well lets just legalize the thing.
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Scriptures that fit the GB to a tee
by isaacaustin inmatt 15:8-9. this people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
but in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.. matt 23:2-6. saying, the scribes and the pharisees sit in moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
for they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
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Homerovah the Almighty
Marge, what are you doing here this place is just for recovering ex-jws ?
Boy, you'd think being married to someone after a while you would know everything about them.
Oh great wait till Flanders hears about this, I can just hear his girlie giggling now.
Churchy Flanders he thinks he's so smart !
Does this mean I have to call you sister Simpson now ?
If thats the case, I think we broke some JW laws in the bedroom that we need to talk about.
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Scriptures that fit the GB to a tee
by isaacaustin inmatt 15:8-9. this people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
but in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.. matt 23:2-6. saying, the scribes and the pharisees sit in moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
for they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
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Cremation, Yes or No?
by Outaservice inyour opinion please.
a recent awake article seems to okay cremation and i thought at one time the watchtower was against it.. do you have any thoughts one way or the other on the subject?.
outaservice.
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Homerovah the Almighty
I don't remember the WTS. stating they were against cremation,
Lucky for the GB members cause they know beforehand that the WTS. will bury them in one of their cemetery plots for free.
This situation doesn't even concern them.
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Scriptures that fit the GB to a tee
by isaacaustin inmatt 15:8-9. this people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
but in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.. matt 23:2-6. saying, the scribes and the pharisees sit in moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
for they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
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Homerovah the Almighty
The Bible on False Prophets
The Old Testament
The True Prophet Hears From God Through Dreams:
Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
The True Prophet Preaches Repentance And Obedience To God's Law
Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.Jer 26:4 And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to me, to walk in my law, which I have set before you,
Jer 26:5 To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;
Jer 26:6 Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.Jer 35:15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Defining The False Prophet And Their Fate:
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.Jer 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
The Motivation of the False Prophet Is Money:
Micah 3:9 [NIV] Hear this, you leaders of the house of Jacob, you rulers of the house of Israel, who despise justice and distort all that is right;
Micah 3:10 [NIV] who build Zion with bloodshed, and Jerusalem with wickedness.
Micah 3:11 [NIV] Her leaders judge for a bribe, her priests teach for a price, and her prophets tell fortunes for money. Yet they lean upon the LORD and say, "Is not the LORD among us? No disaster will come upon us."
Micah 3:12 [NIV] Therefore because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets.Jer 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
Jer 6:14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.Ezek 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
Ezek 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they showed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
Ezek 22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
Ezek 22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered mortar, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.Many People Actually Prefer False Prophets:
Isa 30:9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isa 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Isa 30:11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.
Isa 30:12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
Isa 30:13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
Isa 30:14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?
The Fate Of False Prophets And Those Who Follow Them:
Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Jer 14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
Jer 14:16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.The Prophecies Of False Prophets Do Not Always Fail:
Deu 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
Deu 13:2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them,"
Deu 13:3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.
Deu 13:5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.The New Testament
Wonderful Works Are Done By False Prophets In The Name Of The Lord:
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity [lawlessness].False Prophets Will Be Numerous, And Very Successful:
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity [lawlessness] shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.2 Pet 2:1 [NIV] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Pet 2:2 [NIV] Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2 Pet 2:3 [NIV] In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Many Prefer The False Prophet:
2 Tim 4:2 [NIV] Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.True Prophets Are Always In Harmony With Other Prophets Of God And Scripture:
1 Cor 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.False Prophets Work Impressive Miracles That Deceive:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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Should Pot Be Legalized?
by minimus ini don't smoke anything but i know many that do--- some frequently, most infrequently.. personally, i don't see much difference between drinking alcohol and pot use.. should pot be legalized?.
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Homerovah the Almighty
I know a drug counselor in an inner city and he says almost EVERYONE who is on hard drugs graduated from pot initially.
This is another pressing concern with many regarding the suggestion of making pot a legal substance, what worsens the situation
is the pot today is not the pot of the hippie generation, its allot stronger and its potential effects on to people is a little
more profound than the 60's stuff. back in those days you had you your typical home grown which was generally quite mild
and you had the stronger stuff from the orient like Tai stick which was stronger and more expensive.
Now days everything is strong.
So if marijuana is legalized there is the posing problem that the other hard drugs are still going to be around for
users to experiment with. Maybe would should take place then is the stiffening up the trafficking of hard drugs
( I mean serious long and hard sentences 20yrs. etc. ) together with the legalization of marijuana , just to get the point across.
Right now in Vancouver alone there are thousands of crack addicts, heroin addicts and Meth. addicts roaming around
in the east corridor of the city and everywhere for that matter and its become a serious social issue,
not to mention the drug gangs shooting at and killing one another out in the streets, trying to knock off the competition
in the trafficking game. Something really has to be done here and now, people are feeling that this city is not a safe place to live
any more. The 60's drug culture of peace, love and understanding has turned its self 180 degrees in the opposite direction, now
its money , greed , hate and murder.
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Homerovah the Almighty
No not myself, I had a few associations/friends from my old hall that as soon as it was known that I wasn't attending meetings
any more got real cold, but either than that no. I think some of reasons for that was I always took it upon myself to social address
JWS with a level of respect and dignity and doing so they in return took me as just a respectable non-believer.
Removing yourself from a religious group like the JWS is challenging for most people, they kind of set you up like the congregation
is your new family, but for obvious reasons leaving that setting should have the attention of being and making a better person out of yourself.
Following the 2000 yr.old social morals of the culture of the ancient Israelites, cant realistically by a good and sound direction for are advanced
modernized society honestly can it now.
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Should Pot Be Legalized?
by minimus ini don't smoke anything but i know many that do--- some frequently, most infrequently.. personally, i don't see much difference between drinking alcohol and pot use.. should pot be legalized?.
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Homerovah the Almighty
Just to let you guys know I'm starting to lean closer to the yes side.
For the reasons that many have voiced here , just for the financial burden that it creates and perhaps the financial gain of legalization.
Yes there probably would be an increase of people who would abuse it, but then again the money gained in taxation could be put
to use rehabilitating folks that are overly abusing the product.
The other problem is though what politician is willing to pull the trigger and start the support of legalizing it.
I think the only way to accomplish this is to convince the general public first , that this is a better approach
to whats going on right now, you have to convince the people first then work on the politicians and the law makers.
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Should Pot Be Legalized?
by minimus ini don't smoke anything but i know many that do--- some frequently, most infrequently.. personally, i don't see much difference between drinking alcohol and pot use.. should pot be legalized?.
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Homerovah the Almighty
I'll make a blank statement and ask who here thinks making pot legal and have it commercialized and regulated like the way alcohol is
a good idea for the betterment of the population in general ?
my vote is : no